Rob "Dirty Sanchez" Lim - Welcome To The Jungle! - Noise of the Broke Boys Episode 013

Rob Lim, better known as Dirty Sanchez, discusses his love for photography, Hip Hop, and dance.

 

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in this episode I talk on a video call

with one of my closest homies he is an

up rocker and a photographer and low-key

one of the funniest people I know the

song welcome to the jungle by Guns and

Roses always reminds me of this guy's

crazy shenanigans please enjoy the

episode with my good buddy

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what's up everybody welcome to the show

today I've got the dirtiest guest of

them all he's a good friend of mine

probably one of my best friends and I'm

proud to have him on this show we're

gonna be talking about some interesting

stuff so I hope you guys are ready for

the dirty sanchez himself Robert Lim

what's up man how you doing I'm doing

well

I noticed those kovat beards just a so I

had to catch up yeah we got them kovat

beards going on dude yo so what's up man

- I wanted to bring you on today because

like photography I mean you've been a

photographer for a long time you've been

a part of the dance scene as a

photographer as well as a dancer you

know almost as long as I've known you

and so you've seen a lot of stuff in the

scene

definitely have like captured a lot of

really amazing moments as a photographer

so I wanted to like bring you onto the

show to talk about you know a little bit

about your photography history with it

because I feel like photography is is

not necessarily an element of hip-hop

per se but it's an element that is

preserving the other elements you know

what I'm saying and so I feel like it's

a very important and underlooked thing

in the scene that you know we all kind

of experience but we don't give credit

to it or credence to it and so that's

that's kind of why I wanted to bring you

on here

and so with that being said I want to

know what really got you into

photography I think it's my older sister

she was into photography and I learned

the film nothing as far as developing

the film setting up a camera manually

for the shutter the habit sure and it

feels like you're a sharpshooter when

it's sniper even went back to just kind

of like heroes or people that inspire me

Martha Cooper she was like the first

photographer to take pictures of b-boys

and emcees and just hip-hop party

I think her first picture she has is

that like I'm some b-boys got arrested

and she couldn't take the picture of

dumb legally hmm but it was able to take

a picture not looking at them and

pressing it down so she was able to

circumvent it in a way so it's like I

know it was like the most like hip hop

gangster thing to do about like being

inside a police station doing something

that you're not supposed to do but

recognizing it's an important moment

yeah yeah that's interesting it's that

way is that when they they're like cops

came in like shut down what was it

people summit like 90-something 96-97

during like the 70s and 80s oh is it

okay no wow saw books are going to be

black and white you're going to see a

young kid and like the short running

shorts on you know the side like the b2

shorts super beat Street even a little

bit before that the racism in the cop

but you can just see like these kids

they're dancing on the street and up to

no good

oh yeah and they're all like 10 years

old and yeah yeah boy beat boy age yeah

the real b-boy age yeah now that yeah

now the 10 year olds are taken over

again so it's a circle of life

yeah just raise them up

yeah yeah so that's tight um yeah I mean

that that's a very powerful moment and I

think in hip-hop history and and you

know if it weren't for someone to like

think of you know grabbing a camera

taking a picture and preserving that

moment I don't think we'd even be able

to remember that moment and I mean I

could think of a lot of other moments in

hip-hop history that you know we're

important you know and so I guess you

know in that in that moment of

realization like hey I better pull my

camera out and take this picture this

looks like a great moment to capture

what what goes on in your mind to like

you know be able to define that moment

and and how do you really frame that you

know I think it goes like as easy as

when you see family portraits honestly

everyone takes family portraits and when

you see the pictures there's sometimes

you could definitely see the love and

the relationship between everyone

sometimes people are just kind of

putting up with it what I notice

naturally even from like like Martha

Cooper's photos and just other b-boy

photos everyone who's not even

photogenic and photogenic doesn't mean

like beauty but there's a level of

vanity where people are like you know

what this is a woman that lasts forever

I always look cool guess what we're

taking a cold picture right now even

though some people they tried the hard

as you could see but everyone's ready to

go as if like this is gonna be the last

picture they ever see before I get

locked up or our dead yeah so and like

everyone inherently does that in the

scene I notice I'm always trying to make

sure now to take pictures of people like

1/3 and Cruz or even if they're really

good friends yeah or something you're

not even good friends or it as a

practice spot they mainly just come

together like we are so cool you better

take their picture right now it you know

it's kind of baked in the culture to do

that I mean I feel like just the idea of

freezes in breaking is like hit a cool

pose look cool as if someone was gonna

take a picture of you I mean I feel like

that's the

you know overarching like idea behind

freezing and so it's kind of baked into

what we do already so I can see how that

would be so that that's tight

did you start photography before you

danced or was it did it come after I

mean like I remember when I met you ding

that was like early 2000s but I knew you

were already dancing you were up rockin

and stuff but I'm pretty sure you were

already taking pictures - so which K

Carson and did those bleed into each

other at all I mean like people as like

a you know as a artistic kind of thing

yeah I like in high school I started

doing photography that was like before

we met over in junior college yeah yeah

yeah it's really tough because it was

considered sports photography for me and

it's how I had to approach it so

sometimes I would just go through so

many rolls of film and also finding

people that were also decent and knew

what they're talking about if while I

was asking them to do certain moves or

freezes or experimenting what looked

cool so that was kind of a rough blend

but then when I starting against as a

dance understood how certain body

mechanics works like what visually looks

good versus what looks good in one

instance because yeah plenty of pictures

where people have crashed or that move

was just incredibly bad on video but

that the moment was the way the person

looked the adrenaline rushing through

all it just looked amazing

maybe the crowd was like oh this is

gonna be great

you didn't capture disappointment your

scroll through your photos in one of

those instances and you're like dude

this crowd is so hyped and then you like

you know you took action shots so

there's like 20 photos and then like at

the instant that they realize that he

crashed you see you know their

expression go from happy and excited to

like oh damn

why am i cheering that must have hurt I

can say when I was also managing the

dance crew yeah when someone was they're

gonna flip and I did too a picture a pre

and then like a post when they flopped

but enjoyable performance even though we

were not like the most like sought-after

entertainment that yeah a crowd you can

imagine this and people but let's just

say these people have gone well beyond

and then 20 of music videos I'm very

proud yeah that's tight so like I guess

you're going back to what you're saying

with the like you know seeing cool

freezes catching like a certain moment

like what is it that you look for and in

terms of like lighting and the way that

they're facing you or like I mean cuz

when I look at your photos I see that

there's like I don't know it seems like

you just caught this really weird

position that people end up in and I

know that's part of the dance too but

it's like I feel like if I took that

picture it look like shit and you know

maybe it comes with a good camera too

which I don't have but you know like

what what is that that magic moment that

you're looking for or is there even a

magic moment that you're really looking

for you know do you just see it in their

eyes when they're dancing like oh dude

I'm about to hit this move and you're

listening to the song and it's like dude

he's gonna hit this beat I can tell you

know what I mean is that is that does

that go through your mind so when I was

starting a lot of it was guesswork you

understand this kind of the technical

aspect about understanding lighting

mm-hmm I noticed that was always the

hugest issues because events were not

conducive to their own or activity yes

crazy dark so sometimes I experimented

with flash before but the one thing is

is that like that's also going to bother

the dancer yeah so I've been cognizant

of like if I do flash moment where like

their move will enter into like it's not

going to disrupt what they're gonna be

doing and oh another thing - it took us

fears about knowing certain dancers and

what they're getting into as far as like

oh they have so much momentum going here

they're not gonna stop there this will

burn down man it will make them this

will distract them so a lot of also

going with the camera equipment a lot of

that also had to go with better

technology as well as people start

seeing that I was offered more goodwill

and kind of meh preserving a legacy but

documenting the times they were more

receptive to taking pictures and that

allowed me to pose them and prop them in

certain locations yeah I see what you're

saying so okay yeah so I could see how

that the the lighting would be a real

big issue in a jam I mean there's only

so much you can do really with a camera

to make that to make that good but yeah

I know like you as a dancer I bet that

helps a lot to like be able to see I

guess predict like what's about to

happen I mean and you're also very

knowledgeable about like that that

particular dancer usually you've seen

them before you know what they're

capable of so you can kind of predict

what's going on so I imagine that helps

a lot

with it you know and I think that is you

know what makes some of your photos so

good is that you can like predict that

in a way and be able to capture these

moments so I'm curious what is the what

is your favorite moment you've captured

on camera

the two that are like two categories I

like to separate or like ones where I

can oppose the individual mm-hmm that's

where like we have a setting and I'm

counting one two three we're kind of

documenting and another one it's just

like when is that a jam and it just it

was so hype it was so dope and then

like everyone goes crazy over it you

know and people always hit me up I could

say like at least like Jan an event

definitely a freestyle session I'm

trying to think of like what a more like

there's so many for face off session but

one that I really like that like I've

just seen that on certain flyers but it

doesn't matter to me there's one where

it's Tata he entered with Maschine and

Morris and then like like an air chair

but he looked it up and also he pointed

out his opponent and then like it was

able to hold it but he also had to look

and the Bears that's like I'm calling

you out yeah yeah and then and then like

the importance whether when the

promoters say this is why you come to

jams yeah you feel literally like

there's a point where that's a couple

seconds where you're completely deaf and

everyone else is deaf cuts are screaming

with excitement

yeah somehow they will always energy and

I'm trying to take the picture where I'm

trying not to get way too excited as a

fan yeah yeah that was like one of those

moments where I'm just like that was

great I can say also just from my god

contemporaries or people that are like I

see as crazy better to me there's also

another one with Todd's huh and Zach you

where they did it was a crew battle 20th

freestyle and he did the swing routine

and I want to say Ken Quan caught that

and like when I look at that picture I

felt the same way too

so it's amazing yeah that was just like

I'm wow it's like a mom it's like a

moment where like the crowd got punched

in the face like with the hype nacelle

not a circuit ride weather setup are one

of our friends they we went to had an

event called art Street where there was

a

warehouse that within three months time

was gonna get up bulldoze over oh yeah

come on oh I think I remember that place

yeah

so the warehouse allowed artists to set

up little art spaces and awesome give

links to these pictures to that way you

kind of know what I'm talking about

but there's a picture his name was Quan

and he did this freeze and there was a

checkerboard floor lighting in the

background and even if I took them

without it like it looked like this

abstract mural and it was incredible

yeah if I had remember that photo yeah

and then yeah and there was like this

purple lighting and it was just like

like I look at it I'm like did I take

this picture did I do too much I was

just like I I I personally love it some

people like Gemma be like there's a lot

of stuff going on this way again it's

like one of my personal please wait I

mean it's that's the artists union

growing like dude this is something that

I'm really proud of her like you know

that I really I think I really nailed it

with it which you know and everybody has

their own opinions about art so you know

but I would say if you like it then

that's what matters really yeah but yeah

I think I'm pretty sure I remember that

photo I might have even been there

during that thing but anyways I'd say

I'm just real quick like also another

person who's in the scene always come

right little Xiao I need the muster up

enough money to because I there's one

print that I definitely want to get so

it's wing zero and then II say and I

forgot who else better so not of their

crew but I think it was in Times Square

and then like wings are oh it's like

bending on his toes and then the other

two or just check suppose in a way it

just looked incredible

so I'm like like I need to make sure I

have enough money I'm like I definitely

wanna get a Prince of them

it's like artist or together artist but

yeah that was a really dope photo that

I'm like wow do you sell your prints

I've tried to in the past and some

people like if they have anniversary

jams are people that like I feel like a

connection to I say oh let me give this

to you it's like I know I I have one of

a Vince your brother where he's in a

headstand and then the tide came in and

the water washes off you took the photo

that's a hell funny photo yeah it's fun

yeah he has like a main YouTube account

at there

I know he's got it on something but yeah

that's funny yeah I'm curious actually

about you know the photography world

because it's you know in terms of like

selling stuff

I feel like photographers do a big

service to the scene and I don't know

how much the scene like actually like

pays photographers or whatever I know I

didn't see in photographers get their

photos like taking all of it you know

they're they're being like put on flyers

they're putting all over Instagram and

other social media and stuff I guess how

do you feel about it when like you see

someone like basically take your photo

and just hit crop out your you know your

um your watermark and and use it as

their own like that I feel like that's

kind of a dirty dirty dirty trick but I

see a lot of people do it I'm sorry

like resentful from it I'm especially

because I was just trying to get better

and then just like oh let me get

credited and sometimes you know you

don't get credit especially for like you

believe like they should be doing the

same thing or they feel like well you

got a picture of me so that's good

enough yeah but I I look at how I was

kind of like how DJ's are because like

there's a certain point where like

they're mixtapes were getting played and

they they did all the work for the

production yeah not like not like they

sampled this and that and you create a

loop and that was the end of that or

maybe they did or they did crazy drum

samples and another DJ's playing it

because they don't want their videos

taken down for

music copyright strikes but I noticed

with thumb and I like even though

they're like let's just say like other

musical performers they accept it of

like what the culture and technology is

mm-hmm

they're draws more like if you want move

to come live to your event hire me yeah

let everyone photos they will leave

enough room for them if they want to

crop out we don't care well put but you

guys hire us like hold some accountable

for that

yeah and sometime you to sometimes it's

just a good opportunity I remember let's

say for example are your crew from Japan

they came to the yeah come on you came

to like three different cities and know

four or five I don't I didn't California

and they went to yeah that freestyle

session that was like last year or

something right yeah yeah and also they

what's at the jam when you guys enter in

Pomona and also did Emma with the best

spot the next day and they also came up

to Sacramento for one of our events

mm-hmm for me not to take a chance to

get to know him offered to do like some

photos and everything because this is a

chance for like a crew who I don't know

what their circumstances are but they're

like we're about this life yeah

we're not getting paid to do this but we

came to represent this is just a

different City this is a different

country he came to do anything so I also

have to look at it like that because

it's very I don't know what's the word

it's I mean yeah it's you're looking at

it as like these guys are about that

life and as a photographer it's worth it

to you to capture that you know and to

represent that too because that's like

whoa everyone's all about you know yeah

yeah my return it's like if I when I get

the chance I'm like you guys took the

time and saved up enough money to travel

and sometimes when I look at our city

and I'm not to downplay the quality of

our jams but sometimes I'm just like

I've seen you guys 110

dollars like three months ago and the

price here is like two hundred dollars

but you know you drove two hours from

the Bay Area to just I'm about this life

so they goes to like someone's

conviction and like also the vanity and

the ego like what's this really about

yeah so sometimes I'm like yeah we get

to love I do see if I can get some type

of compensation but then I also want to

be able to say they're all for the last

15 years aim it's like I've been a part

of these events that people consider

it's like a moment in their life and I'm

there for ya know I would think being

there for that moment is like a real

important thing as a photographer being

because again yeah you guys are like

capturing that and preserving it I mean

I guess put it like this

before there was like a crap ton of

photographers in the scene you know

there was still jams going on but who

can remember like everything that

happened in those jams especially the

ones that weren't videotaped it's hard

to remember any of that stuff because it

wasn't ever you know captured but then I

know when I see photos from like jams

that I did you know 10 15 even maybe

even 20 years ago it's like you see that

picture and you're like oh dang I

remember that you know what I mean

you know I remember that bad all I

remember like being in that situation I

remember training for that or whatever I

remember seeing that dude train for it

or whatever you know so it kind of

really takes you back and it sucks that

there's not so much stuff that's

available from you know back in the day

but now I feel like there's so much and

and so it's it's gonna be like a very

good preservation of you know the

culture moving forward maybe too good of

one you know I guess we don't need to

remember all them crashes yeah yeah yeah

just the whole social media aspect you

would think there's a saturation of

people with videos and also with

two people have to adapt it used to be

in the culture when I remember I mean

Sacramento when there was a Rocksteady

chapter it was called flora SKLZ um that

yeah it was like if you took dirt like

UV bit someone's move you got sucked in

the face the jam just stopped and like

you got beat up like whoever crew was

starting to beat you up

then matter what happened I've been in

that where like no you you're supposed

to be dancing to get out of gang warfare

but no you just join a dance gang yeah

yeah it was a lot more confrontational I

guess back in the day definitely more

yeah it was chaos I mean really like you

had people coming in that just yeah

didn't care I mean it well and also

there wasn't money in it and there

wasn't like anything so it was just I

feel like people did it more for the the

love of it and stuff so it was like when

someone was basically stomping on you

and saying hey I'm gonna bite your move

or whatever you take it real personally

like nowadays I feel like that kind of

gets brushed off a little bit because

they there's I don't know this kind of

like social media veil to it or whatever

you know there's some kind of like you

know social veil over everything and I

don't know I mean not to say that people

aren't as passionate about it now as

they were before but I feel like you

know they'll there's more incentive to

be like okay I don't I don't need a

fight over this because there's I got

all these other things that are coming

along with it but back in the day it

wasn't like that it's like you know all

you really had was that your moves and

your crew and stuff and so if people

were over there like stomping on it and

you know giving it a bad name and stuff

or just you know dissing it it's you

take that real personally so I could see

why there was way more fights back in

the day and I'm glad that that's over

but it I feel like back then there was a

little more I don't know excitement to

competitions just because of stuff like

that not to say that fighting is a good

thing but you know the drama the drama

makes it interesting for sure you know

I'll say this we're just two recent

examples from at least like my

perspective we went to Mass a monkey's

day and I was front row and like the

finals and then like I believe they just

finished with like top eight thesis is

just walking around and then you see a

TN because you're yelling at each other

and like I don't know where thesis is

also just pissed off like crazy

and he's called and then like a couple

rounds later like all of battleborn came

in and supposedly they just not yet I

remember that yeah yeah yeah I wasn't at

the gym but ya know it was like yeah the

two crews had like beef or something

from back in the day or whatever

whatever whatever happened but yeah the

crew they basically snuck in the gym

just to battle them yeah I mean it's no

good that they're sneaking in and stuff

and like doing that but but know that

that's actually a great moment that was

captured on film because it's like if

you got beef with another crew like I

feel like that's how you handle it you

come and just say hey we're gonna battle

we're not gonna go online and talk crap

we're not gonna you know fight we're not

gonna do this we're not gonna do that

we're just gonna come in and battle you

and guess what it's at your own jam so

you better come correct because we've

been you know training for this we're

gonna come for you you know so I feel I

feel like that was that that's dope

that's dope Oh hopefully there wasn't

any other drama beyond that I mean

hopefully that's where it got squashed

or whatever you know I feel hate still

going day eight in both the rides you're

like what are you doing here

like you like you snuck in where's my

$10 if you're gonna bat him he got a pay

him anyway yeah and one where like also

just coming back to that Pomona Jam

Jesse you've been seeing a Williams his

name is his real name's William smiles

mm-hmm he's from Australia he entered in

with Lancer yeah yeah yeah Austria yeah

I forget his name yet Australian dude no

yeah I know your name is William smiles

but just like it was good talking him

but he also have fierceness in his eyes

but I've never seen the same thing I

know nuts stirring the pot or anything

but it was the same thing when you saw

Pak Pak and also Lucy sky and then I'm

like what I saw the moves I'm like yeah

you definitely just at first you have

that so important to you the way you hit

it the way you get into it but I mean

I'm not part of that I was just like I'm

like oh I see but also for someone to

just like also protect you like well I'm

definitely gonna fly up here and I hope

to see those guys just yeah just to just

show up just to confront in in battle

yeah that's that's some b-boy shit for

sure

I mean yeah I've done that in the past

like I've gone to gyms just a battle a

crew with I didn't enter the gym

I didn't do anything else except just

battle them you know usually I stuck

around and like watch the rest of the

jam or whatever or you know whatever but

it was I came I came through to just

battle people though so after those

battles had a bed like I still hate you

okay I know but trust me you you know

what's

Merson you know what's funny is like

actually I was hanging out with one of

the guys that I used to do I'd like go

to the gym just to battle him and his

crew and you know this was back like

frickin ten years at least and then I

was like training with him probably like

a year ago or maybe two years ago or

whatever and like we're all nice to each

other and stuff and I was like dude I

know me and you used to battle all the

freaking time and I don't even remember

why like that's what's funny about it

but I knew that I hated your guts at one

point and I knew you were good and I

knew you knew I was good and we would

battle all the damn time but like to be

honest I don't remember what it was that

set it off and you know and now we're

friends and stuff and you know we'll

train and we give each other tips and

shit so I don't know I honestly I think

it was just like - hungry - hungry

b-boys that just you know they want to

make their mark and shit so I feel like

that's probably what it was that caused

some weird beef you know probably like

you know one of us lost to each other at

a jam or whatever and then we took it

super personally and just created a

vendetta or whatever you know I don't

know any montage you listen just on a

rocky soundtrack oh gosh yeah I'm like

running up the steps like you're like

well just engage damn

oh ma I got a sweaty hoodie on with no

sleeves on yeah you're running in like

these like horrible converse but I'm

like gosh I was like watching an old

school basketball game like fucking

people playing like adidas superstars

and now we dancing them

yeah yeah okay so um that's your

background as a photographer so I'm

curious like what got you into hip-hop

oh so uh all right if you could kind of

see this canvas here it's pretty big

it's a bye to my friend they're also in

a 3d crew and I kind of grew up with

them in middle school and high school

but kind of like how like a lot of dance

crews I'll just a dude that hanging

around I thought it was cool so I never

got into it as like deep as everyone

else did but that's where I was just

like I was like it was a certain point

in the nineties where you you could hear

good radio hip-hop music and then there

was a layer of underground does really

rain laughing and then like you're

listening to rap where people who are

talking about like depression or like

how do you want to like viciously murder

someone but to say so creatively or like

how much they hate this person and it

was just like oh my glue what are you

saying you got a reminded bag it was

just like like this era of just like

like you have to really really dig or

know about it was like whispers it check

this out dude it's the era of when

you're walking down the street in like

the city and the dude walks up with like

a Walkman and he's like hey yo you want

to listen to this hey you got to listen

to this though

Hey and then you're like nah bro I got

somewhere to be

but you don't got anywhere to be you're

just walking which is I ain't trying to

listen to that shit I'm trying to hear

that cash money millionaire yeah this is

what the time when like you can actually

trust people not necessary trust when

someone got like a Hutton it's tape out

of your trunk that's how to short

started in Oakland but nice short

whiskey so there yeah

you were selling those I was like yo man

check out like this is the dopest shit

you listen to that a lot of Bay Area

hip-hop and like some Sacramento have

thought they just like just about it

almost everywhere like one you have to

have a really good producer or DJ just

set it up to for you to even like make

this stuff and hope to sell out your

stuff because it wasn't drugged it

wasn't like

let me get some of that because I

already knew what it was you took it and

guess yeah and you have to realize the

people be like this is what's up mmm and

sometimes I mean like that's how it like

sure not musicians are able to skirt

like having to have it distribute to the

record company I have like their team

just they saw this as the mixtape will

change the production it's still my name

but it's like I get a hundred percent of

my proceeds up instead of like like a

quarter on every album myself thanks for

interviewing me I must be sweating up a

storm and being well chopped be with

yeah well hopefully the video is better

you know once I edit this hopefully it

turns out a lot better well yeah it was

great having you dude

I really hope this pandemic is over soon

so we can actually do this in person

because I'd much prefer that I don't

like doing these video calls but yeah

and yeah I just feeling the vibe too and

then also just like you know like I like

it when it's a little bit looser and

then we just like rift for a little bit

too

yeah yeah yeah yeah well so before we

close out do you have any last words or

any shoutouts or any plugs I don't know

check out my Instagram page

that's where you post all your photos

and stuff yeah and one thing I want to

tell people it's like if you see manage

am not doing anything gonna hit me up

and just say hey can you take a picture

of us because that's the one thing I

noticed everyone always get a bunch of

the cool shots but sometimes you also

want memories too that you're like hey

you know what

this was my first jam that I went with

you know my older crew mate that's

training me so you know those memories

I mean sometimes it could be better

preserved as opposed to having just

straight off your phone that you never

print out anything yeah

and he's talking mostly to those

Instagram thoughts out there so

alright man it was great having you on

let's get one more

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